Is Your Citrine Real or Fake & Does it Matter? Fakes Series: Part 4

by Hibiscus Moon · 26 comments

Crystals are remarkable & glorious gifts from Mother Earth. Aren’t they? And we all love citrine. But do you know if your citrine is real or fake…and should you care?

Some crystal peeps prefer their crystals to be all natural; as they were found in Mother Nature, in the raw.

citrine sphere3 300x282 Is Your Citrine Real or Fake & Does it Matter?  Fakes Series: Part 4Others may be drawn to the beauty of crystals that have been enhanced in some way but they may be totally unaware that they have been artificially altered. Maybe the crystals have been molecularly bonded, irradiated, tumbled, cut, polished or even heat treated in a lab. Now, I’m saying “lab” in this post for ease & flow but often times the heating we’re talking about here isn’t done in a lab at all. It’s usually done in a dusty warehouse by the miners themselves; no lab coats or anything. Just keepin’ it real for ya. icon wink Is Your Citrine Real or Fake & Does it Matter?  Fakes Series: Part 4

Lab-heated citrine seems to be a soar spot with many. So much so that over the years as I received many questions about it I’ve created a few videos to talk about the topic & show some examples. (See below for vids).

Sometimes when people find out that much of the citrine on the market isn’t an Mama Earth Creation, they may go into  a mini-panic, thinking that they’ve been duped or that their heat-treated citrine is totally  useless. Not so…IMHO. But more about that in a bit.

How to tell the difference

It’s not always an easy task but let me give you a few pointers. If its heat-treated citrine, the color will be most  concentrated at the tips but white at the bottom (see photos below).  Also heat-treated citrine will be sort of crumbly & break apart easily since heating the stones at the temps necessary does seem to weaken the stability of the crystals.

Natural Citrine

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Natural citrine points from the Congo. Notice their generally uniform smokey, champagne or honey color to them. Congo natural citrine usually comes in these nice elongated points & often have babies & hematite around its base where it was attached to the rock matrix.

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This is a natural citrine with a classic point shape and light tea color throughout the crystal.

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This piece is an amazing feat of geology! Here you see a double terminated penetrator twin that got fractured during its growth process & self healed while turning into a natural golden citrine only above the fracture! AMAZING & have never seen anything like it!

Heat-Treated Citrine

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Heat-treated citrine from Brazil is usually amethyst (sometimes smokey quartz) that’s been baked. This piece was broken off of a large amethyst geode then heated to get this tell-tale baked orange color at the tip with white bottom.

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This photo demos another common baked citrine formation, the druse. This darker deep honey-colored ice tea hue is known as Madeira citrine. Then you can see a sharp border which then goes white.

How do They Do It?

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The Earth can also produce the deep brown citrine, aka Madeira citrine. This is more rare than your usual lighter honey or white wine colored natural citrine. Actually, all types of natural citrine are considered relatively rare. They’re no where near as bountiful as amethyst so they can get be hard to find & a bit pricey. Be prepared.

When we lab-heat citrine we’re simply mimicking what Mama Earth does. You usually begin with a poorly or lightly colored Brazilian amethyst. Then you heat it in a kiln to over 900°F (482°C). If you want it to go dark yellow or to red-brown (Madeira color) then you go up to 1022-1040°F (550-560°C). Some smoky quartz can turn citrine color as cool as 390°F (199°C).

Interactive!!

Ain’t this the interactive classroom?? My favorite kind. Crystal Hottie Shayla read this blog post w/i hours of it posting & got to experimenting in her lab kitchen & showed us how it’s done. Thank you Prof. Shayla for sharing this with us & your quick work! *bowing down* Check out her results:

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Is it Still Citrine?

Yep, yep, yep & I feel that heated/baked crystals & stones can be worked with very effectively. Heating the stone at these temperatures simply changes the color but doesn’t change its molecular structure & again, IMHO, as long as a crystal’s molecular structure hasn’t been altered, I feel that the crystal will still have the effective healing qualities.In addition, the stone’s color (light vibrational frequency) has now been changes to that of natural citrine’s. Its no longer of the violet frequency, its now in the orange or yellow frequency. So its going to resonate that energy now.

Is Your Citrine Fake or Natural? Part 1

That being said, I do think that heat treating or enhancing a crystal can reduce this frequency & effectiveness since it does weaken the stone some, but it doesn’t totally burn out its potential healing effects. So, no need to replace your citrine at all.

Citrine – Fake or Natural, Part 2

Whether citrine is heated artificially or naturally, it’s still often commercially classified as citrine. Remember, this artificial or natural heating is not enough to change the molecular structure of the crystal so it’s still SiO2. I feel the healing properties are still those of citrine, but on a lighter scale.

To me, lab heated citrine’s properties are not similar to amethyst’s or smoky quartz’ at all. Through much experimenting of my own as well as that of my student’s & clients, baked citrine’s properties align perfectly to my solar plexus chakra; its energetically stimulating, it helps with financial issues & it helps us to be more confident. Now, if you’re looking for a piece that’s just going to go BAMMM!  in these precise areas, then I’d advise you to go with a natural citrine, for sure….its energies will be much more powerful.

Types of Citrine for Crystal Healing

Let me end by saying that I feel that your intuition should always be your first guide. If a stone or crystal works for you for a particular purpose then don’t let anyone or anything that you read or hear change that for you. For certain people, certain stones may work very well while not work for others no matter what is said or written about them. Keep on truckin’, Crystal Hottie!

Just as in quantum physics, the scientist doing the observing actually influences the outcome & properties of the subatomic particles being observed. So, basically, if you believe it to be so, it simply is, on a subatomic level. Why should it be any different on a super atomic level? As below, so it is above, right? Let the crystals that you know work for you continue to do so…if you believe it to be true, it simply is. No panicking over heat-treated citrine, OK? If it worked for you before, it’s still going to continue to do so…unless you think it won’t.

Continue to enjoy your crystals and stones, heat-treated or not.

Ooodles of Crystal Blessings!

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Oooodles of Crystal Blessings!!P

P.S. What do you think of heat-treated citrine? Like it, hate it, who cares? Let me know in the comments below!

 

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Don Vosburgh

My first piece of citrine looks exactly like your 5th pic down, and knowing that it has been “created” is disappointing, but doesn’t change the stone’s personal vibration or energy for my work with it. Have been lucky to find a reputable dealer where I found a really nice natural citrine cluster, so happy to know I have both & since I use them for different energy work, don’t feel the need for comparison. The only issue I would have is that it should be disclosed whether it has been treated, so that there is no dishonesty. I pick my stones based on their energy, so not blindly picking stones based on the name. Take care! Been following you/your site/comments and enjoy greatly. Crystal on! :0)

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Shayla

After reading this post I decided to do a little research of my own. I had several pieces of amethyst laying around my house that weren’t what you could call “good color”. I don’t have a kiln or torch or anything like that. But I have a self-cleaning oven and I decided to try it out for myself. I’m a little shocked that it worked. And am now trying it with a few other pieces that I have around here. The original pieces are back in the oven to see if they get any darker than they already are.

Here are my initial results – http://www.flickr.com/photos/alinashea/9087962338/

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Hibiscus Moon

Wow Shayla!! I can’t believe it. First, let me applaud your inquiring mind! I really admire that in someone. I never tried this myself & have even told people that the temps in your oven wouldn’t go high enough but hadn’t thought about the self-cleaning setting. YOU GO GRRRRRRL! Can I use your photo here on the blog & in my class? I’m so uber-impressed by you. :)

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Shayla

Of course! I’m so very excited by the whole thing and am working on my second batch. I have figured out that I need to heat up the crystals a little more slowly before I put the oven on the cleaning mode. One of the small spheres that I put in cracked (at least I am pretty sure it was a sphere, the oven is still locked so I can’t see them clearly yet). My thought is that I’ll heat it up 100-deg at a time over the span of a couple hours, then turn on the cleaning mode. There is a small batch in there right now and I’m waiting to see how they turned out.

With summer coming up, I won’t be able to do this very much… but winter isn’t really that far away, right?

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Hibiscus Moon

OMG!!! I feel like I’m there with you geo-GEEKING out!! Can you video tape this? Its like history in the making.

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Shayla

I will! My camera is small, but it’s pretty clear. I’ll be trying this again tomorrow, with the slow heating up. I can’t wait to test this out further!

Bridget

Well I have a tumbled citrine that looks like one in your video, and a ring that looks exactly like the cut jewel you have, which I am told was purchased by the former owner when she was on vacation in Italy, so heat treated or not, it’s still my special baby. =) I love the stone and I appreciate all the knowledge you have shared with us via your site & the videos. Thank you! =) You sure know your stuff!

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Gail

Hi,

I think this is really useful for some of us that take everything literally that is said about crystal energies as it draws attention to the “whatever is working for you” and I think this is the most important thing to realise about crystals. Sometimes I buy a crystal purely from what is written about it and find I am sometimes disappointed with how I feel about it when I receive it and at other times I buy something purely on feeling an am never disappointed with that particular crystal. Self trust is a big issue in my life and I just wanted to say that this has helped me here. As for natural and heat treated Citrine, I have both and must say I prefer the natural to the heat treated, although I have recently bought a piece of heat treated Citrine purely for the way it makes me feel when I look at it and have it on my desk at work, so my conclusion would be that it is all a matter of how we feel about a particular crystal. Love the blogs and the science behind crystals too. Gail

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Jude

I agree completely about how a crystal resonates with you is more important than how it became a certain colour!! That’s one of the reasons I like to be able to see/touch a crystal in the flesh (as it were!) to see how we respond to each other :)
Love reading your blogs,
Jude

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Trina

My husband and I just bought 2 pieces of Citrine for pendants, 2 pieces of Amethysts, 2 Pieces of Tektite, and 6 very small pieces (nugget chips) of Load stone at The Jewelry and Mineral of Las Vegas shop in person… http://www.jewelryandmineraloflv.com/
My questions is I put these in my bra yesterday 1 piece of Amethyst, 1 Piece of Citrine, 1 Tektite stone, and 3 nuggets of Loadstone, I forgot about them when I woke up this morning my Citrine is Purple like the Amethyst and my Amethyst turned extremely dark??? Does anyone know what might have happened ??? I probably shouldn’t have mixed them all and put them in my bra I know! But I didn’t want to lose them and didn’t have pockets on my dress…. Any help would be greatly appreciated… Many Thanks…

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Carolyn Kristof

I don’t know if you’ve seen this article, but I know what a “geek” you are! LOL!

http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/12.html

Enjoy!

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Jan Church

Hello Hibiscus! I notice you never speak of INTENT! when using a stone with proper or healing intent, the stone’s spirit will respond in kind. We use intent a lot in our Reiki and it seems to make it more powerful. The objective is to use the Stone or Reiki for healing with the intention that the energy will be used at the highest possible level of good for that person. Just saying… I generally love working with the raw stone, and if it not the stone for me, I feel it and choose something else. Get your intuition working out there-she’s right!

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Hibiscus Moon

That’s certainly one way to do it but I personally don’t subscribe to that with individual crystals. I feel the crystals have a very specific vibrational frequency of their own that we cannot alter. However, I do speak of intent when working with Crystal Grids and have written about that in my book. :)

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Sylvia

If there is no effect to the healing qualities then I guess it just depends on what you prefer aaesthetically…. Kinda like the natural tho’!

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Shaz

Hi, thank you for this post.
I have a question, since you mention Congo Citrine quite a bit. Do you ensure that your stones are ethically sourced? Is that even possible?
I ask because there is such conflict due to mineral mining, especially in the Congo. Thank you

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Joe

Thanks for this informative article.

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pixie

I have a necklace i made with amethyst on it and its turned almost black! What could Have caused this,??? Someone with a negative energy wore it for a while (he stole it until my boyfriend noticed and got it back) ive smudged it since then. Any ideas if this happened from obsorbing negative energy?

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Linda

I bought a citrine cluster today for chakra clearing at a very good price. Then I decided to google citrine and discovered I bought a heat treated amethyst. I wish the real citrine was more common. I might now seek some tumble stones of real citrine to compare the energy. I definitely feel differently about all my citrine but at least now I know what to look for in the future to avoid the fakes. Knowing that real citrine is quartz cooked in the earth is interesting. The cooks who bake ‘citrine’ overcook it almost to brown, plus the points are the wrong shape.

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ifleestar

Does real citrine natural becomes from a amethyst?

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Cedes

Is it possible the citrine ring I bought at the fair yesterday is glass and not citrine at all? How can I tell?
Thanks!

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Dawn Martinello

If the tips posted here don’t help, you’ll need to bring it to someone to have a look at or find someone who can do some testing for you. Good luck!

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Brandi

I appreciate your blog and view on this matter. I personally think the only thing that is effective after an amethyst has been baked is the color of the stone. I had a few heat treated citrines, courtesy of my daughter who is drawn to them. I then decided to purchase a real citrine point (much smaller, totally see through and light honey colored). I have to say the difference in energy is amazing in my opinion. The natural citrine has a strong but soothing vibration. Kind of like basking in the sun on a nice warm day. The treated citrine really has a *different* vibration. It doesn’t feel like amethyst OR natural citrine. The only credit I really have to give to the treated citrine is that it is definitely an eye catcher, and a pretty looking stone.
But obviously if someone feels drawn to it there is a reason. I just think it’s a little misleading to say they have the same vibration, is there any link or research done on the molecular changes when heating amethyst into citrine in a lab? Also the molecular difference between heat treated citrine and natural citrine? I’d be interested to see.

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Denise

Hello I really enjoyed your videos on this topic!!:) I always wear a tumbled citrine in my right side of my bra for luck and on the other side I wear a hemotie for grounding. I was told it would help me if I did this does this seem strange to you or is this a common practice for people??

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